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It's joy talking to all these initiatives who are working on solutions. talking to people who don't wanna play along, who don't wanna behave according to the incentives that other people decided are best for them, even though they know they aren't.
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And it's always a process when people say, this moment changed my life. Well, yeah, that's the story they tell themselves, but it's always a process. That's the one moment that kind of consciously felt it, that you became aware of, okay, what do I really wanna do? Contrary, maybe to the stories that I've been told about what means to have success. That's where it comes to feelings and values, because that's what I like to call the stories we tell, we are these telling stories species. I mean, not only in movies and podcasts and I don't know, bad times stories, but also in politics. It's always a story behind it. That's why I mentioned this term values right from the beginning, or talking about laws, even though they might sound super dry, it's about stories and values.
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